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Old 03-21-2008, 12:52 AM
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Aloha airlines files for chapter 11

First one to bite the dust. I'd imagine other airlines will last longer, but with oil $100+ I imagine we'll see more to come.
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Old 03-21-2008, 05:00 AM
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First one to bite the dust. I'd imagine other airlines will last longer, but with oil $100+ I imagine we'll see more to come.
......and for those that hold up the crises… we pay the adding cost!!!!

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alitalia nearing bankruptcy after buyout falls apart

This one sounds like it has a lot of gov't interference so I'd imagine it'll end in a gov't bailout rather than folding.
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ATA airlines goes bankrupt
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Old 04-05-2008, 03:45 AM
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This one sounds like it has a lot of gov't interference so I'd imagine it'll end in a gov't bailout rather than folding.
is the Government (part of them) that don't want to sell it.... otherwise how can they pocket tax payers money....
too complicate to explain….. hope with the election coming up that they will sell it…..
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skybus airlines bites the dust

Thanks Ciao, we're lucky to have you for as our european perspective! I imagine it'll be handy in the not so distant future.
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Wow....yeah, the writing has kind of been on the wall here, eh? Weird seeing these co's appearing to go into bankruptcy almost systematically to an extent though...

Who's next sky? You talked about this a bit ago if I remember correctly...
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Hard to say Grizz. For now it seems to be small regional airlines that were barely making it, a common theme seems to be airlines that were in bankrupcy 2 or so years ago and now are getting cooked.

If I had to make a list of bankruptcy targets I'd say look up a list of any airline that's been in bankruptcy the last 5 years. If they couldn't make it with <$60 oil and cheap credit I'd say they're cooked now.

champion air ceases operations may 31

As for big airlines, they seem to be ok for a little bit, I bet one of them probably isn't but dunno which.

I've heard southwest fluked out on contracts to buy oil for $51 a barrel for 70% of it's oil for 2008, so they've got a year of competitive cost advantage. Every other big airline is getting increasingly fleeced and none of the rest of the big ones will be profitable for 2008. Supposedly 2009 will be do or die time for most of the big guys.

When this is all over there might be some airlines which are real winners too, as they'll be facing a landscape with dramatically less competition. But I think for consumers this will be a bad period, as the days of cheap fares is probably over, and many routes could be cut altogether. Most of the airlines going bankrupt now seem to be the regional ones that made the connecting flights near final destinations. Not clear if those routes will start getting underserved or cut altogether in the future, but possible.

My most favorite airline as a long term winner is TSX:WJA (canadian exchange). Low cost discount provider with satisfied customers, employees with good morale (if I recall they participate in stock programs too), relatively low operational costs, no unions, no debt and paid for planes, and they expand only when they find the cash to pay for it and find a route that's profitable to open. If I recall they just opened a new route from calgary to new york. There are probably good ones in the US somewhere, but I don't know which right now.
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Thanks Ciao, we're lucky to have you for as our european perspective! I imagine it'll be handy in the not so distant future.
I wouldn't be too sure about it..... if I could write down and explain what happen here (Italy)in real...what newspaper/TV don't say it... specially the Berlusconi empire...corruption etc..... my life could be in jeopardy....

Working for 30+ years in Monte Carlo meeting and talking to top people (from Presidents, Kings &Queens, Ministers, top Bankers, Finance, traders etc...etc...etc...) I learned that there is another world beside the one we live in.... and "they" tell us what "they" want us to know.......

but that I am sure you all know it.... don't need me to tell you.....
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