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Dividend and Exchange Traded Fund Stocks Open discussion of companies that distribute portions of their earnings to shareholders in the form of cash, stock or other means. Also, discussion of investment funds (ETF's and ETN's) traded on the stock exchanges. This forum is open to questions or anything related to the topics and does not require sticking to the normal SMC posting rules.

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Hey everyone. Just wanted to have this section here for people that are like myself who buy stocks with dividens to our advantage. Post what you know or any thoughts about this.

If you have any picks of your own share them here.
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Hey everyone. Just wanted to have this section here for people that are like myself who buy stocks with dividens to our advantage. Post what you know or any thoughts about this.

If you have any picks of your own share them here.
Hi Zeke and thanks. A nice list of some of your favorites would be a good start. Looking forward to this forum as I have some stocks that pay divends a great place to put some winnings and the interest is better than the bank.

Now thats a good deal...
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A thought I had to add to this section would be stocks that have dividend re-investments plans to them like Wal-Mart, GE, etc all have programs that allow its shareholders to have the dividend payments go right back into buying more of the stock. It may not be as fun than what to do with all that dividend money, but a way to make your stock amount grow over time! Just a thought I had
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I have not ventured into the land of dividends on purpose but did get one with really good results 2 or 3 years back. At the moment cannot remember the stock could have been Motorola but not sure. Anyway bought it for a short term swing play and the hundred share I got ended up paying a one time 20.00 dividend per share. Yes and you guessed right out of that one as soon as they paid. I made 2.00 pershare on the stock plus the 20.00 dividend but really all this was done due to accident.

I would like a little more insight as to how one would go about choosing stock that have good returns with the added bonus of paying quarterly dividends.

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Good thread Zeke!

Perhaps I can add some methods for how we can value dividends or I suppose, value stocks based on their dividends. I will touch briefly on annuities, but more so, perpetuities (perpetual annuity, which can be very similar to a stock that pays constant dividends), and the DDM (dividend discount model, which is a valuing method for determining the value of stock using the the stocks dividend). Also, it is a good idea to look for stocks that grow their dividends, so we should have a method for determining growth of dividends over a period of time...

Just check back here from time to time as I can add info when I have a window of opportunity. Unfortunately right now I don't have much, but I will be back to add...

Good Luck.

Edit: was getting a little off track on tvm, so ill just leave it at this (what's already now posted below), and if someone wants to know more about valuing and valuation methods...Ill start a different thread on it down the line in some basic fundamental analysis.

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DDM below....

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Default Dividend Discount Model

DDM

Investing in stocks based upon T/A is great...but I like to do a combination of both T/A and F/A.

When trying to find a value for dividend paying stocks, many use the "Gordon Model" or what is commonly referred to as the "Dividend Discount Model".

Here is a site that can help in valuation...

http://www.dividenddiscountmodel.com/

The basic idea behind that of the DDM is that a company's stock is equal to all of that company's expected future cash flow (dividends in this case) discounted back to the present (TVM - Time Value of Money) using an appropriate discount factor.

"The dividend discount model (DDM) is a widely accepted stock valuation tool found in most introductory finance and investment textbooks. The model calculates the present value of the future dividends that a company is expected to pay to its shareholders. It is particularly useful because it allows investors to determine an absolute or "intrinsic" value of a particular company that is not influenced by current stock market conditions. In contrast, most target prices published by analysts are set on a relative basis, based on the valuation of comparable companies. The DDM is also useful because the measurement of future dividends (as opposed to earnings for example) facilitates an "apples-to-apples" comparison of companies across different industries by focusing on the actual cash investors can expect to receive. Although it is conceptually simple, the DDM is not widely used except by some institutional investors because it can be cumbersome to apply without the necessary data and analytical tools. DividendDiscountModel.com makes the DDM accessible to all investors to determine whether they think a particular stock is over or under valued based on its dividend potential.

The Dividend Discount Model is also known as the "Gordon model" named after professor Myron J. Gordon who popularized the model. Professor Gordon wrote about the model in a book he authored in 1962 titled The Investment, Financing and Valuation of the Corporation. Since then the model has appeared in virtually every investments textbook. In his book titled Investment Valuation, Aswath Damodaran, a professor at New York University states: "In the long term, undervalued (overvalued) stocks from the dividend discount model outperform (underperform) the market index on a risk-adjusted basis." Although no investment model works for all stocks all of the time, the dividend discount model has proven to be a reliable way of selecting stocks that on average will perform relatively well on a long-term basis. It should be among the tools that investors use to select at least some of the stocks in their portfolio."


To value a company using the DDM, you calculate the value of dividend payments that you think a stock will throw-off in the years ahead. Here is what the model says:

Zero Growth: P0 = DIV/r

Where:
P= the price at time 0
r= discount rate

How do we get the formula above? Well, it is actually just an application of the formula for a perpetuity.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/perpetuity.asp

P0 = DIV1/1+r + DIV2/(1+r)2<-- with this "2" being an exponential value .....and so on = DIV/r

"For simplicity's sake, consider a company with a $1 annual dividend. If you figure the company will pay that dividend indefinitely, you must ask yourself what you are willing to pay for that company. Assume expected return, or, more appropriately in academic parlance, the 'required rate of return' is 5%. According to the dividend discount model, the company should be worth $20.00 ($1.00 / .05)."

The shortcoming of this model is that is does not take into consideration the fact that you expect most companies to grow over time. To take into account the growth factor, then the denominator equals the expected return less the dividend growth rate - This would be considered "The constant growth DDM". So, if you think the company's dividend will grow by 3% annually, then company's value should then be $1.00 / (.05 - .03) = $50.00. We express the valuing of a company with a constantly growing dividend, by using the following equation:

P0= DIV/ r-g

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Default TVM - Time Value of Money

When figuring these sorts of equations, it is important to index...I am not going to go into all aspects of TVM...but you can learn more about it here...I don't want to get too off track from that of dividends...

http://agmarketing.extension.psu.edu...lueMoneyP1.PDF
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An inherent problem with the DDM is that it requires a huge amount of speculation in forecasting future dividends. You will have to make plenty of assumptions even with companies that have had steady and reliable dividends. therefore the model is only as good as the assumptions that it is based upon.

There are multi stage models that can help when trying to value companies with un-steady dividends, but I am not going to get into that, as I am still learning those anyways, and even with these, there are even more assumptions that will have to be made; instead of trying to make an assumption for constant growth of a dividend rate, one would now have to determine when and how much a rate will change over time.

Another tricky situation is attempting to wage an educated guess on the expected rate of return to use in your formulas.

Using the DDM for High Growth Stocks can also present problems...

Here is a place for more on DDM

http://www.fool.com/research/2000/features000406.htm

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Here is just some information to help you guys find and understand stocks with dividends.



Dividend stocks, if chosen carefully, have two advantages over other stocks in a weak market. If the share price goes nowhere for a few months, you still collect the dividend, so you get paid to wait. Also, if the stock drops, the dividend yield to new investors rises, attracting more buyers. Let me explain.

Dividend Math
The dividend yield is the next 12-months’ expected per-share dividends divided by the current share price. For example the yield would be 5 percent for a stock currently trading at $100 per share that is expected to pay $5 in dividends over the next year ($5 divided by $100).


If a market downdraft hits and the share price drops to $75 per share, the yield would increase to 6.7 percent ($5 divided by $75) to new buyers.

Use Screens
Screening is the best way to find dividend stocks. If you’re not familiar with the term, screening involves using special programs to scan the market for stocks that meet your selection criteria.

There are several free screening programs available on the Web including MSN Money’s Deluxe Screener (moneycentral.msn.com), and Reuters’ PowerScreenerLite (www.investor.reuters.com).

I’ll use MSN Money’s Deluxe Screener to demonstrate the process. If you haven’t used it before, it may take you a couple of hours to learn how to use it. However, MSN’s screener is the most powerful free screener that I know of, so your time will be well spent.

Sample Dividend Screen
To help you get started, I’ll included in parenthesis, the screener instruction phrase needed to implement each search requirement. I’ll start the process with dividend yield.

Significant Yield
The dividend yield must be significant to provide the benefits I described earlier. What’s significant? That’s hard to quantify, but I’ve found that yields above 4.5 percent usually attract dividend-investors’ attention. So, I set my minimum acceptable dividend at 4.5 percent (current dividend yield >= 4.5).

Bigger is Safer
In weak markets, smaller companies usually get hit the hardest. So it pays to rule out very small companies.

Market capitalization (number of shares outstanding multiplied by the current share price) is the most widely used company size gauge. Stocks with market-caps below $1 billion are considered “small-caps” and are the riskiest. So, I set my minimum market-cap at $1 billion (market capitalization >= 1,000,000,000) to exclude small-caps.

Analysts’ Advice
Despite their tarnished reputations, in my view, it still pays to let analysts do the heavy lifting when it comes to figuring out a company’s future prospects. Analysts rate stocks they cover in varying degrees of buy, hold, or sell. Services such as Zacks Research and Reuters compile the individual ratings and group them into five categories: strong buy, buy, hold, sell, and strong sell. If anything, analysts tend to be too optimistic, so ‘sell’ or ‘strong sell’ ratings signal high risk. Thus, I require consensus ratings of ‘hold’ or better (mean recommendation >= hold).

Expected Earnings Growth
Stocks with declining earnings are usually bad news. For starters, over the long haul, stock prices tend to track earnings. So a drop in earnings will probably result in a drop in share price. Further, declining earnings could lead to a dividend cut, which would not only further pressure the share price, but would reduce your dividend yield.

By contrast, rising earnings are desirable because they tend to lift the share price and enable dividend increases. So I require a moderate five percent average annual earnings growth consensus forecast for the next five years (EPS growth next 5-years => 5).

So far, I’ve specified mid- or large-sized companies paying significant dividends and with moderate expected earnings growth. Further, I’ve ruled out stocks analysts are recommending selling. When I checked, nearly 100 stocks met those requirements. How do you pinpoint the best prospects from that list?

Buy Strong Stocks
Despite that age-old axiom advising us to “buy low and sell high,” I’ve found that stocks that are already moving up (in uptrends) are better prospects than those that have been mostly headed lower (downtrends). You can use moving averages to determine whether a stock is in an uptrend or downtrend.

A moving average is the average of a stock's closing prices over a specified number of market days. For instance, the 50-day moving average would be the average of the last 50 days closing prices. Generally, stocks trading above their moving averages are in uptrends, and those trading below are in downtrends.

The 50-day and 200-day moving averages are the most widely used. The 50-day MA measures the short-term action while the 200-day MA gauges the long-term trend.

The strongest candidates should be above both their 50- and 200-day MAs. You can specify that condition by requiring the last price to be above both MAs (last price >= 200-day moving average) and (last price >= 50-day moving average).


As is the case for any screen, consider the results a list of candidates for further research, not a buy list

(disclosure: I hold positions in Energy Transfer Partners,Wal-Mart, PFIZER and World Wrestling Entertainment).
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